The virtual political convention you’ve all been waiting for

You probably missed it in June, so here is a replay of 3 hours of political debate to get you familiar with the candidates. Or, if that’s too much, here’s a written introduction to them, including the first Black woman to run for Tory leadership in Canada. Yes, it’s time for Canadian Conservatives to choose a new leader, after the last one didn’t work out. All of the votes in the ranked ballot, points-per-riding contest have been cast, and the results will be revealed starting at 5:30pm EDT tonight. CPAC stream, CBC stream, Global News live blog.
posted by clawsoon (123 comments total) 5 users marked this as a favorite
Thanks for posting! I’m not conservative, but I’ve been following this race all year.
posted by Valancy Rachel at 2:24 PM on August 23
I found this interview with a couple of Canadian Conservative Muslim activists interesting. They’re a rare breed after the anti-Muslim fiasco of the Conservative’s 2015 campaign.
posted by clawsoon at 2:37 PM on August 23
I have been not following this, like, at all, just assuming that Peter Mackay would win be default, but it seems like it’s more of a contest than I would have expected.
posted by jacquilynne at 3:06 PM on August 23
“Results delayed”? But I want to know if Evil Jim Gaffigan or Slimy Guy Who Was Considered The Hot Conservative Politician Because That Bar Is So Very Low has won NOW
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 3:16 PM on August 23 [2 favorites]
They’re a rare breed after the anti-Muslim fiasco of the Conservative’s 2015 campaign.

It’s important to remember that despite all of the “barbaric cultural practices” bullshit that the Conservatives pulled, people like Jason Kenney (when he was a Harper cabinet minister) made significant progress in reaching out to non-Christian social conservatives. He and Harper both knew that leveraging homophobia and transphobia was an ace strategy on that front.

And judging by this pack of screeching bigots in the leadership race, they’ve taken that lesson on board.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 3:18 PM on August 23 [2 favorites]

people like Jason Kenney (when he was a Harper cabinet minister) made significant progress in reaching out to non-Christian social conservatives.

Yeah, what was the inside story of that U-turn? A decade building up a coalition with small-c conservative immigrant suburbanites that allowed them to win multiple elections without needing the rarely-achieved alliance between Quebec and Alberta that got Diefenbaker and Mulroney elected; then they throw it all away by turning on a significant chunk of those communities. Did they think that they could finesse anti-Muslim sentiment apart from anti-PoC sentiment and still win those suburbs? Did they think that they had a chance to win Quebec back given the strong anti-Muslim sentiment there? Or was the racist pressure from the bottom just too strong for Harper and Kenney to keep a lid on it for any longer?

What were they thinking?
posted by clawsoon at 3:29 PM on August 23

Did they think that they had a chance to win Quebec back given the strong anti-Muslim sentiment there?

I feel like that was a part of it. And yeah, it may have been a symptom of Harper’s highly-disciplined control over who-said-what-about-any-issue slipping as people started jockeying for position in the event he lost the election. I feel like he would have squashed that as a non-starter four or five years earlier.

On the lighter side, CPAC’s Conservative Leadership and Conventions: 1867-2020 timeline seems to indicate that the era of epic sideburns ended with Robert Borden.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 3:37 PM on August 23 [2 favorites]

On the lighter side, CPAC’s Conservative Leadership and Conventions: 1867-2020 timeline seems to indicate that the era of epic sideburns ended with Robert Borden.

Wow, Mackenzie King buried some of those leaders so deep in the footnotes of Canadian history that I’ve never heard of them even though I’m pretty sure I’ve read about them. Robert Manion? Richard Hanson? John Bracken? George Drew?
posted by clawsoon at 3:48 PM on August 23 [2 favorites]

In which Diefenbaker looks surprised.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 3:52 PM on August 23 [4 favorites]
then they throw it all away by turning on a significant chunk of those communities

I’m too lazy to look it up but did it really hurt the Conservatives that much, or was that pointed at as a reason by a lot of people saying ‘Of *course* it cost them, because as we all know, Canada is so not racist.’? I guess one way to figure it would be to check the 2015 returns for ridings with large Muslim, South Asian, and Middle Eastern communities, but as we’ve established, I am just too lazy.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 3:52 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]

The quickest research-ish I can do is to look at the 2011 and 2015 maps. Suburban Vancouver and Greater Toronto definitely flipped from Tory blue to Liberal red. Those ridings seem to be the ones with the highest percentage of visible minorities according to the table in this article. But was it fear of Conservative anti-immigrant sentiment which flipped those ridings? I dunno. Seems like a reasonable possibility, but hard to tell without more research.
posted by clawsoon at 4:06 PM on August 23 [3 favorites]
But was it fear of Conservative anti-immigrant sentiment which flipped those ridings? I dunno. Seems like a reasonable possibility, but hard to tell without more research.

Never discount the “Eh, need a change” type voting with any long-serving government filtered through the distortions of first-past-the-post.

At least, that’s my low-effort political science thesis for the evening that I’ve typed up while carmelizing some onions.

*pours glass of wine*
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 4:10 PM on August 23 [2 favorites]

In which Diefenbaker looks surprised.

C.D. Howe not looking surprised enough.
posted by clawsoon at 4:17 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]

C.D. Howe not looking surprised enough.

“Daddy, the Minister of Reconstruction is scaring me.”

“I know. He’s just always upset about something.”

“About what?”

“We’re not sure. It’s been a tough few years for all of us. Now go to bed. I won’t let him in.”

“Promise?”

“Promise.”
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 4:25 PM on August 23 [3 favorites]

lol! And they say that the American politics thread are constantly re-hashing old fights.
posted by clawsoon at 4:27 PM on August 23 [4 favorites]
Don’t get me started on the Château Clique.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 4:28 PM on August 23 [2 favorites]
Now I’m watching old Dief documentaries because they said the results are going to be delayed.
posted by clawsoon at 4:32 PM on August 23
As an American, I’m only excited if either Doug Ford or Kevin O’Leary of Shark Tank get the nod.

Did the Dragon’s Den host Mr. Sunshine ever run?
posted by Apocryphon at 4:32 PM on August 23

No, but Kevin O’Leary and his wife drunkenly killed two people with a boat.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 4:41 PM on August 23 [5 favorites]
Now I’m just dying to know who made the call to have smaller, cheaper-to-mail envelopes that rip in the envelope-opening machines. I mean, seriously, they saved a few pennies per ballot, but they have cast doubt on the legitimacy of the count. Why does this sound like such a perfect Conservative metaphor?
posted by sardonyx at 4:50 PM on August 23 [4 favorites]
“The Conservative Party of Canada can’t even run their own leadership election, what makes them think they can run a country? They’re just not ready.”
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 5:04 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]
Best Scheer burns I’ve heard tonight:

“His legacy – if he has any legacy…”

“a guy who is so lame he thought that lying about being an insurance broker would make him more cool”
posted by clawsoon at 5:06 PM on August 23 [5 favorites]

From the Global live blog:

Meanwhile, here’s a look at the ballot vault from two days ago.

This footage was recorded and featured on the Conservatives’ Twitch account.

The party has had a record turnout — nearly 175,000 ballots were received.

But apparently you can see the ballot vault on Twitch, which is just an empty, dark room (presumably the counting is taking place elsewhere at the moment), with a power bar or UPS flashing in the background. Also a metaphor, maybe.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 5:17 PM on August 23

My bad. It looks like that Twitch feed starts way back, and you can move foward through time.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 5:19 PM on August 23
This speech about Scheer is… untrue. I thought We agreed he wasn’t a great leader? He was ousted, right?
posted by Valancy Rachel at 5:40 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]
Is Scheer stuck in some kind of time warp? I mean he’s going on and about the Berlin Wall? And talking down government? During a pandemic? When government money is probably the only thing that is keeping a huge pile of people and businesses afloat.
posted by sardonyx at 5:55 PM on August 23 [2 favorites]
We agreed he wasn’t a great leader? He was ousted, right?

Now that the knives have been cleaned, in preparation for the next sacrifice, it is safe to praise him before burial.
posted by nubs at 6:00 PM on August 23 [5 favorites]

Judy Manning: “Newfoundland and Labrador, the Far East of our Western World.”

What the actual fuck?
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:11 PM on August 23 [7 favorites]

Lisa Raitt deftly pivots from the Portapique massacre to FACEBOOK KITCHEN PARTY. Fucking sociopath.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:19 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]
Can’t watch for health reasons but enjoying the convention vicariously through your reactions.
posted by rodlymight at 6:25 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]
Lisa Raitt deftly pivots from the Portapique massacre to FACEBOOK KITCHEN PARTY. Fucking sociopath.

And she’s one of the likable ones.

At this point I think the machines caught on fire and all the ballots burned so they are just gonna vamp until everyone falls asleep
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 6:28 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]

At this point I think the machines caught on fire and all the ballots burned so they are just gonna vamp until everyone falls asleep

They keep talking about the balloon drop they can’t do because it’s not in-person, but maybe that’s code for whippets?
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:31 PM on August 23 [2 favorites]

Best Scheer burns I’ve heard tonight

The next Andrew Scheer to be named on Sunday, although the candidates all prefer not to be called that.
posted by obscure simpsons reference at 6:34 PM on August 23 [8 favorites]

Isn’t the CBC going to need to cut to a hockey game soon? That would be the ultimate finishing touch.
posted by nubs at 6:36 PM on August 23 [2 favorites]
On a non-cynical note, watching virtual conventions (not just this one) is way better in terms of getting through stuff faster.

This would have been over by puck drop if it weren’t for the balloting snafu.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:37 PM on August 23

The comment about Newfoundland being the ” far east of the Western world” was taken directly from a provincial tourism ad. I believe it ran in the 90s maybe?
posted by peppermind at 6:43 PM on August 23 [2 favorites]
Ah.

Newfoundland is unabashedly peddled as “The Far East of the Western World” (Government of Newfoundland and Labrador), and the people are coupled with the land so that they become unchanging and exotic. Despite a history of struggling to wrestle a living out of the land and ocean, Newfoundlanders are promoted as authentic, natural fisher-poets through festivals and pageants in which Newfoundland “culture” is paraded before paying customers.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:47 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]

I mean, it’s still an erasure of colonialism and weirdly Orientalist. But I guess the people it was meant to appeal to would still find it “exotic.”
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:49 PM on August 23
I don’t disagree at all, just providing a little context.
posted by peppermind at 6:51 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]
No worries. Thanks for giving that context. Hearing it in the flow of the other, uh, remarks delivered so far tonight was jarring. Not the most jarring thing, mind you (!!!).

I mean, now a sweaty and twitchy man (Alex Nuttall, MacKay’s campaign manager) is talking about the “breakthrough for social conservatives.”
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:58 PM on August 23

Did the O’Toole guy say that O’Toole is a bit “Latin”?
posted by clawsoon at 7:00 PM on August 23
I detest the Conservatives but appreciate this entertaining thread. Also, much to my own surprise, I am actually curious about which jerk from the pack of screeching bigots (thank you mandolin conspiracy) will win the leadership race.
posted by hurdy gurdy girl at 7:06 PM on August 23 [2 favorites]
Did the O’Toole guy say that O’Toole is a bit “Latin”?

Didn’t hear that, but I’m watching O’Toole’s guy on the CPAC feed, and he just said “Uh, I’m not a big policy guy…” in response to a question about climate change…
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:09 PM on August 23

“Stephen Outhouse, campaign manager for Leslyn Lewis.”

Look, nobody gets to pick their birth surname, but he’s actively campaigning for someone who’s an outspoken homophobe and transphobe, so fuck this guy.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:18 PM on August 23 [3 favorites]

Oh, it’s not time for results. Okay, bring back Scheer and let him tell us what he thinks about Brezhnev.
posted by clawsoon at 7:36 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]
Michelle Rempel is now talking about the “firearms community” in Canada.

I didn’t know firearms could vote. I have learned much.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:45 PM on August 23 [4 favorites]

Mackenzie King buried some of those leaders so deep in the footnotes of Canadian history that I’ve never heard of them even though I’m pretty sure I’ve read about them. Robert Manion? Richard Hanson? John Bracken? George Drew?

In contrast, before the Dion-Ignatieff Technocrat Two-Step, you have to go back to Edward Blake to find a Liberal leader who did not become PM, and he stepped down in 1887. He was up against Sir John A., so maybe we can cut him some slack.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 7:55 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]

Breaking news! Two people were tired of the room they were sitting in.
posted by clawsoon at 7:57 PM on August 23
In all seriousness, though, that Twitch stream. Here’s where some of that ballot damage came from….

…watch these male fucksticks on the left-hand side of the screen try to operate an automatic envelope slicer. [link goes to the timestamp]

Oh, boys. Ever work an admin job or in a mailroom? No? Mommy and daddy paid for everything so you never had to.

So you think you can just jam a fistful of envelopes into it rather than finessing them in one at a time and develop a flow, working fast without fucking up the contents of the envelope.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:59 PM on August 23

mandolin conspiracy: Oh, boys. Ever work an admin job or in a mailroom? No? Mommy and daddy paid for everything so you never had to.

To be fair, I’ve never even seen an automatic envelope slicer before, and I’ve done an office job for 20 years now.
posted by clawsoon at 8:06 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]

They’re big in cheque processing — or were — back when that was more of thing.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 8:09 PM on August 23 [2 favorites]
And the consequences for fucking up an incoming cheque…hoo boy.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 8:10 PM on August 23
CPC Envelope Opening Machine Twitter account.
posted by clawsoon at 8:24 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]
FIFTEEN MINUTE WARNING.

On the CBC coverage, Althia Raj made jokes about doing a coffee run to stay up, and Andrew Coyne pulled a sour face. This confirms my long-standing belief he is a man with no anus.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 8:31 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]

The truth is he’s mostly anus
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 8:38 PM on August 23 [3 favorites]
Man these CBC commentators are getting punchy.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 8:51 PM on August 23 [3 favorites]
“…but he’s actively campaigning for someone who’s an outspoken homophobe and transphobe, so fuck this guy.”

I didn’t pay the slightest bit of attention to this race, and was sorta rooting for Lewis by default, but yeah — no thanks.

Give me Peter Mackay again, just so I can have another five years of the photo of him looking glum with his dog.
posted by Capt. Renault at 8:55 PM on August 23 [3 favorites]

“Final regional calculations”… somebody’s going to screw this up in Excel, aren’t they? Excel probably thinks that “Leslyn” is a date and is mangling the results as I type.
posted by clawsoon at 8:57 PM on August 23 [3 favorites]
From the CBC:

Derek Sloan

Sloan is an Ontario MP who attended law school at Queen’s University after owning and operating several small businesses. The social conservative has denounced what he calls the erosion of free speech, freedom of religion, and freedom of conscience in Canada, and the “politically correct culture.” He has said he would rescind the carbon tax and gun ban and pull Canada out of World Health Organization.

“My name is Derek Sloan and I get my talking points from Jordan Peterson.”

Tonight when I was talking to my dad he referred to Sloan as “the really awful guy.” Heh.
posted by hurdy gurdy girl at 8:58 PM on August 23 [3 favorites]

“Final regional calculations”… somebody’s going to screw this up in Excel, aren’t they? Excel probably thinks that “Leslyn” is a date and is mangling the results as I type.

Good thing there’s not a candidate named “Jan.”
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 9:02 PM on August 23 [2 favorites]

Dear god, this still isn’t over? I’m glad I just sat and watched Knives Out instead.
posted by nubs at 9:05 PM on August 23 [2 favorites]
“My name is Derek Sloan and I get my talking points from Jordan Peterson.”

“The female principle is Chaotic, therefore I have been training to dropkick Elizabeth May.”
posted by clawsoon at 9:11 PM on August 23 [2 favorites]

I’m glad I just sat and watched Knives Out instead.

*air guitar*

Uh, that might be a bit on the nose, given some of the candidates…
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 9:12 PM on August 23

Dear god, this still isn’t over? I’m glad I just sat and watched Knives Out instead.

I was going to vacuum and then finish the second season of Fargo. Now it’s 11PM and I don’t want to vacuum but I also don’t want to push the desk back into place.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 9:15 PM on August 23

Man these CBC commentators are getting punchy.

Heh. They’ve gone from that to “ARE YOUR FUCKING KIDDING ME” mode.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 9:17 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]

The “welcome to our second day of coverage” line was pretty funny.
posted by bcd at 9:19 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]
The truth is he’s mostly anus

45 minutes since the 15 minute warning.
posted by clawsoon at 9:19 PM on August 23

Maintenant…les resultats…
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 9:22 PM on August 23
Andrew Coyne @acoyne·11m
45 minutes since the 15 minute warning.

Will__Murray @Will__Murray·8m
Replying to @acoyne
The 30 minute difference is for Newfoundland.


posted by hurdy gurdy girl at 9:24 PM on August 23 [8 favorites]

I haven’t been keeping a running tally, but it certainly feels as if MacKay is building up enough of a lead to possibly take it on the first ballot.
posted by sardonyx at 9:30 PM on August 23
Are there no news websites doing a running tally?
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 9:30 PM on August 23
Candace, you need to iron your flag before you tack it onto your wall. It looks really bad with the fold creases evident. There is no reason to have been this lazy for your big, national convention.
posted by sardonyx at 9:33 PM on August 23 [2 favorites]
Not seeing one. Part of the reason might be that the results have been referred to the provincial delegates to read off right now. Ontario (last one) up now.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 9:33 PM on August 23
Candace, you need to iron your flag before you tack it onto your wall.

And she had 3 hours!
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 9:35 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]

Sloan is doan.
posted by clawsoon at 9:35 PM on August 23
Second ballot won’t give a winner either, will it?
posted by clawsoon at 9:36 PM on August 23
Okay, I was wrong. It’s not going to be over on the first ballot. Sadly, I’ve got to pack it in for the night.
posted by sardonyx at 9:37 PM on August 23
First round:

The first ballot results give MacKay 33.52 per cent, with O’Toole close behind with 31.6 per cent. Leslyn Lewis took 20.49 while Derek Sloan took 14.39 per cent.

The race now moves to a second ballot without Sloan.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 9:41 PM on August 23

I was gonna dunk on her flag, but then I thought about all the things I’ve learned on Metafilter about how women are judged on appearances in ways that men aren’t. It wasn’t the worst of the backgrounds, though it was the worst of the best.
posted by clawsoon at 9:41 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]
Hmm, CBC stream stopped for me. I wonder if they never expected it to last this long.
posted by bcd at 9:43 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]
Did the CBC YouTube stream just die for anybody else?
posted by clawsoon at 9:43 PM on August 23
I was gonna dunk on her flag, but then I thought about all the things I’ve learned on Metafilter about how women are judged on appearances in ways that men aren’t. It wasn’t the worst of the backgrounds, though it was the worst of the best.

Cory Teneycke’s living room is predictably beige, to match his serial killer eyes.

Did the CBC YouTube stream just die for anybody else?

Yup.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 9:44 PM on August 23

The CBC logo bug is still there in the corner – appears they are ‘streaming’, but the incoming feed from the studio dropped.

And there it’s back.
posted by bcd at 9:45 PM on August 23

Newfoundland is unabashedly peddled as “The Far East of the Western World” (Government of Newfoundland and Labrador), and the people are coupled with the land so that they become unchanging and exotic. Despite a history of struggling to wrestle a living out of the land and ocean, Newfoundlanders are promoted as authentic, natural fisher-poets through festivals and pageants in which Newfoundland “culture” is paraded before paying customers.

Oh in that case, perhaps they should be free to have their own sovereignty as an independent country again.
posted by Apocryphon at 9:51 PM on August 23

I think virtually all of Sloan’s votes have to go to Lewis for her to stay past the second round. Seems unlikely.
posted by clawsoon at 9:52 PM on August 23
I was thinking that MacKay would be a lot further ahead as he would be more palatable to non-conservative voters, so I’m honestly surprised to see O’Toole so close – of course, I’m not Conservative and I’m thinking who would have the best shot in a federal election, not who jibes with the membership. I’m guessing Sloan’s votes will go to O’Toole, but that would still require a third round, yes?
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 9:53 PM on August 23
Hm. So now it’s down to how much the party hates LGBTQ people, and how much they want to wipe out reproductive rights for women. That’s the work they want to do.

Alright, then. Allons-y, motherfuckers.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 9:56 PM on August 23

I was thinking that MacKay would be a lot further ahead as he would be more palatable to non-conservative voters

The Conservative base doesn’t vote with an eye to who will appeal to people who are less like them. They vote for the person who will best represent their increasingly backward views on a national stage. Not a single person voted for Andrew Scheer because they thought he could beat Trudeau.
posted by dry white toast at 9:57 PM on August 23 [7 favorites]

Not to mention a class war on the poor, clearly stated in all of their platforms.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 9:58 PM on August 23 [2 favorites]
“I hope they come out and give us the second ballot… BECAUSE THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVE IT”
posted by clawsoon at 9:59 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]
Rosemary Barton is not having it. YOU HAVE THE RESULTS THEY WERE ALL COUNTED AT ONCE. THAT’S HOW A RANKED BALLOT WORKS.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 10:02 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]
My math says Lewis would need 77% of Sloan’s second place votes, even if O’Toole got 0% of them. Earlier we hear someone say she had around 63%. Seems pretty much all over there – and so pretty likely O’Toole beats MacCay firmly in the third round.
posted by bcd at 10:03 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]
In my headcanon they’re now rapidly altering them to try to make McKay win.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 10:03 PM on August 23
The thing you have to remember about becoming Prime Minister (or Premier of a province) is it is not a function of how qualified you are or how broad your policies appeal. You form a government by standing around and waiting for the person in power to become so thoroughly disliked that the voters pick you just to give the incumbent the heave-ho. Jean Chretien was not well thought of. People just wanted to tear the PCs limb from limb. Doug Ford was never popular. But he became Premier because people were just done with Kathleen Wynne and the Ontario Liberal Party.

That’s why Trudeau is moving Freeland to the front; so he can seamlessly hand the party over to her before the country fully turns on him.

And it may be all whoever comes out of this needs.
posted by dry white toast at 10:06 PM on August 23 [4 favorites]

Well that went fast.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 10:06 PM on August 23
Well, appears my prediction held up – for the whopping three minutes required.
posted by bcd at 10:06 PM on August 23
That blue-blazer lady was obviously an O’Toole stan.

Also everyone at this O’Toole party hugging each other is going to get Covid, it’s making me cringe.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 10:07 PM on August 23 [2 favorites]

O’Toole.

Put on some masks, you fucking idiots.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 10:08 PM on August 23 [2 favorites]

Also everyone at this O’Toole party hugging each other is going to get Covid, it’s making me cringe.

Just lock them in the building. Let them die before they can gut our health care system.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 10:09 PM on August 23 [4 favorites]

Lewis came surprisingly close. Ten or twelve ridings worth of points away from making the third ballot, if I’m remembering the numbers correctly.
posted by clawsoon at 10:09 PM on August 23
That’s why Trudeau is moving Freeland to the front; so he can seamlessly hand the party over to her before the country fully turns on him.

Not the worst move. Maybe he’s seeing the writing on the wall.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 10:11 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]

He saw what happened to Wynne.
posted by dry white toast at 10:13 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]
Chrystia Freeland would be a pretty good PM. She’s smarter than Trudeau. Imagine if he’d also kept Jody Wilson-Raybould around. And maybe spent more time listening to people (like JWR) telling him: “No. I’m protecting you. This is good advice.”

Then we wouldn’t be so worried about these here shitheads.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 10:21 PM on August 23 [2 favorites]

Also everyone at this O’Toole party hugging each other is going to get Covid, it’s making me cringe.

Oh. And on that tip, good screen cap here: Proud Boy in the room.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 10:29 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]

That’s why Trudeau is moving Freeland to the front; so he can seamlessly hand the party over to her before the country fully turns on him.

I agree. It always mystified me that Harper, for all his purported political canniness, never really hit on the idea of a goat to shove out front when things got really bad and he headed for the airport. Trudeau the Elder left John Turner to take the heat; Mulroney left Campbell; Chretien left Martin (who actually survived the next election). The man in the blue suit never had much of a bench. I always reckoned the most likely heir apparent was Kenney, but he paddled for the shallow end when he saw his likely future role as goat.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 10:39 PM on August 23

Give me Peter Mackay again, just so I can have another five years of the photo of him looking glum with his [borrowed] dog
posted by Iris Gambol at 10:40 PM on August 23
Who really is Erin O’Toole? – a Maclean’s portrait from last month.
posted by clawsoon at 10:47 PM on August 23
Okay, this surprised me: Did you know that Erin O’Toole is almost 2 years younger than Justin Trudeau?
posted by clawsoon at 10:58 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]
In 1995, during his first posting in Trenton, O’Toole took his leave to volunteer on his father’s campaign in the Ontario election. John O’Toole would serve as Durham’s MPP for 19 years. From his next posting in Winnipeg, Erin enjoyed coming home to hear political war stories. It planted a seed. “I did like the partisan cut-and-thrust, but I also loved that you could really make a difference,” he says.

He finished his active military service in 2000, joining the reserve and attending law school at Dalhousie University. Eventually, he and his wife, Rebecca, who he met during his final military posting in Nova Scotia, moved to Ontario. O’Toole worked for two law firms on Bay Street. Rebecca, they both admit, had the “fun jobs,” working for Hockey Canada, the Toronto Argonauts and the Olympic broadcasting consortium. After the Bay Street gigs, O’Toole took a job as a corporate lawyer at Procter & Gamble. During the same period, he founded a veterans’ charity, True Patriot Love.

If you want a recipe for “shitty Ontario douchebag,” this is it.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 10:59 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]

All of which is to say: this guy is trouble, and he’s electable.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 11:01 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]
So we’ll see each other in 18-24 for months for the next one, no? Hopefully this one won’t be run by Muppet Labs.
posted by bonehead at 11:01 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]
Although you’ve got to admit “True Patriot Love” could be a very good time with the right people.
posted by clawsoon at 11:02 PM on August 23
Okay, this surprised me: Did you know that Erin O’Toole is almost 2 years younger than Justin Trudeau?

That is actually surprising.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 11:07 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]

All of which is to say: this guy is trouble, and he’s electable.

Yeah, he’s not unreasonable. I was partly hoping MacKay would win because it would be divisive within the party (Especially after the delays).

So we’ll see each other in 18-24 for months for the next one, no?

He has a shot if he can keep the chimps on a short leash a la Harper or if Trudeau decides to keep fucking up.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 11:15 PM on August 23

That is actually surprising.

I think I’ve heard it 3 times now and been surprised each time.
posted by clawsoon at 11:23 PM on August 23

If anyone can track down provincial results for the second and third rounds, I’d be interested in poring over the tea leaves.
posted by clawsoon at 11:26 PM on August 23
Full results here, at least for now.

In the second round, Lewis won BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba – a full sweep of the west. Mackay won Newfoundland, PEI, Nova Scotia, and New Brunswick – a sweep of the Atlantic provinces – along with Ontario and the Territories. The only province that O’Toole won in the second round was Quebec.

In the third round, O’Toole took everything but PEI, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick.
posted by clawsoon at 11:41 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]

And here’s the 340 page riding-by-riding PDF.
posted by clawsoon at 11:47 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]
Thanks for the original post, clawsoon. And thanks for the balloting results roundup.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 11:54 PM on August 23 [1 favorite]
Scanning through the riding results, the lowest turnout looks to be all in Quebec, with 28 votes cast in the Bourassa riding – and thus over 3 points per vote – at the extreme. O’Toole’s efforts in Quebec really paid off for him. Lewis bombed in Quebec, and that may be the reason she’s not the leader today. Impossible to tell without knowing the second choices of MacKay voters, of course.

Alberta was, unsurprisingly, at the other extreme, with 2,079 votes cast in the Foothills riding, or about .05 points per vote.

I’m sure Éric Grenier will have some much better analysis in the morning, since that’s his job. Or… it will be, anyway, until O’Toole carries through on his threat to defund the CBC.
posted by clawsoon at 12:15 AM on August 24

The Campaign for Life alone recruited 26,000 members – and suggested they pick only Sloan or Lewis.
posted by clawsoon at 12:23 AM on August 24
One more before I convince myself to sleep.

This part was appreciated:

“I believe that whether you are Black, white, brown or from any race or creed, whether you are LGBT or straight, whether you are an Indigenous Canadian or have joined the Canadian family three weeks ago or three generations ago,” he said.

“Whether you’re doing well or barely getting by. Whether you worship on Friday, Saturday, Sunday or not at all … you are an important part of Canada and you have a home in the Conservative Party of Canada.”

Let’s hope he means all that.
posted by clawsoon at 12:32 AM on August 24

I would love to feel that hope, clawsoon, but I’m more inclined to agree with Pam Palmater:

“It doesn’t matter who wins Conservative leadership race – they are all nightmares for First Nations, the environment and public safety. They speak as much with their platforms as with their silence.”
posted by hurdy gurdy girl at 1:14 AM on August 24 [2 favorites]

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