This is what makes Batman an advertisement for abusive policing

One of the big problems with “dark and gritty” Batman movies is that the people writing them can’t craft a mystery that’s so complex only Batman can solve it, so Batman’s “superpower” ends up being “the ability to violate people’s Constitutional rights.” #defundbatman
posted by Brandon Blatcher (17 comments total) 10 users marked this as a favorite
I would watch the hell out of the proposed movie in the thread.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 4:56 AM on August 27 [6 favorites]
It seemed like Dark Knight at least tried to go the “Batman has gadgets” route, but then all the gadgets were good for was massive violations of all sorts of privacy and rights violations. Damn.

I would love to see/read this Batman, too.
posted by Ghidorah at 5:22 AM on August 27 [4 favorites]

It’s funny that with everything that’s going wrong in the world, no one ever considered the role of Batman in national affairs. I think we’re really on to something here
posted by kittens for breakfast at 5:23 AM on August 27 [1 favorite]
Oooh, I would watch both the Batman movie and the Superman movie he proposed in another thread.
posted by Harald74 at 5:26 AM on August 27 [2 favorites]
Anyone have a link to his proposed Superman movie thread?
posted by DirtyOldTown at 6:08 AM on August 27
Batman as Batman is pretty much the least interesting thing about Gotham City, and the politics of a hereditary billionaire who believes punching the escaped patients of the local mental institution is an act of justice are aging badly and fast. I fully support this proposed revision of canon.
posted by mhoye at 6:09 AM on August 27 [5 favorites]
Anyone have a link to his proposed Superman movie thread?

https://twitter.com/StorySlug/status/1272895755922087938
posted by penduluum at 6:15 AM on August 27 [1 favorite]

I hope Batman keeps getting grittier until he kills me in real life. What a show that would be!

Batman is like all superheroes in that he’s popular because he’s a comforting simplistic fantasy “solution” to complex problems.
posted by The Card Cheat at 6:19 AM on August 27 [1 favorite]

Honestly, though, this is the rotten heart of most super hero stories, both print and film. At the end of the day, it’s about violence as the only legitimate means of resolving a conflict.

As a kid (in the 60s), my favorite version of Batman was the one in Detective, not the mainline Batman comics. The stories in Detective were, however marginally, more about solving crimes. Batman was depicted as actually thinking some things through, on occasion.
posted by Thorzdad at 6:26 AM on August 27

The Card Cheat: “ Batman is like all superheroes in that he’s popular because he’s a comforting simplistic fantasy “solution” to complex problems.

Thorzdad: “this is the rotten heart of most super hero stories, both print and film. At the end of the day, it’s about violence as the only legitimate means of resolving a conflict.

Maybe try actually reading comics?
posted by signal at 6:29 AM on August 27 [1 favorite]

As someone in the Twitter thread points out, Kelly has just recreated Batman: Year One, published in 1987, basically the last thing that Frank Miller wrote that was pretty good.
posted by Halloween Jack at 6:31 AM on August 27 [2 favorites]
Indeed the problem is that there have been legitimate examinations of a gritty Batman, vigilantism and vengeance, then the likes of Nolan and Snyder fail to take any of the really obvious subtext and we end up with debates over Batman’s kill count in a movie and so far zero representation in film of the World’s Greatest Detective.
posted by opsin at 6:34 AM on August 27
This tweet out of the thread feels like “Person of Interest” but with a Batman in it.
posted by Mister Moofoo at 6:34 AM on August 27
Yeah, got to agree with signal on characterising comics as simplistic, comforting violence. Might have been right in the Golden Age, but that’s about 70 years ago.

Doesn’t stop Batman being a (to quote) “rich white guy who decides to beat up the poor and the mentally ill” a lot of the time, but things beyond that are explored in many Batman stories and the wider genre.
posted by MattWPBS at 6:37 AM on August 27

The problem with superhero types “fighting crime” is that it’s inevitably them beating up street criminals and leaving the root causes of crime totally unaddressed.

“Fighting crime” is something they toss into a story sometimes to give the demigod something down to earth to do in between fighting off supper villains and existential threats to reality. But it’s always been a really awful and bad take on super powers.

One of the few times I’ve ever seen anyone trying to really fight crime was the anti-hero Foolkiller as he decended (further) into madness. He killed a wealthy businessman who was the ultimate head of a drug syndicate. But even that didn’t actually try to deal with the root cause of drug abuse, the political system they produced the war on drugs, or anything beyond the simplistic idea of drug kingpin is bad.

AND that came after dozens of murders of petty street criminals because he saw that as fighting crime.

I’m with the person on Twitter. Fighting crime has always been a lousy thing for supers, at least as it has been traditionally formulated. Let them fight the real evils or don’t bother with them.
posted by sotonohito at 6:37 AM on August 27

Maybe try actually reading comics?

All of these facile takes on Batman you see lately are premised on having no knowledge of how the character has actually been portrayed in the comics, which have been looking at these various issues for decades already. They’re all about the most recent movie versions.
posted by star gentle uterus at 6:42 AM on August 27

I wrote a stupid essay about this about 3 years ago in reaction to the Nolan films, which I acknowledge as generally well made but tonally abhorrent for the same reasons mentioned in the tweets.

The main problem is that Batman is a fantasy solution to fantasy problems, and he works best as a character in a fantasy setting. The closer he gets to real life, the more he looks like a complete ahole at best and criminally insane at worst.
posted by AndrewStephens at 6:44 AM on August 27

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